 Visas, Dual Citizenship, PIO and other things., merged threads |
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| anil |
 Jan 7 2005, 05:15 PM
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| arnab |
Jan 7 2005, 10:14 PM
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 bandwidth glutton Group: founding members Posts: 14839 Joined: 21-July 04 From: northfield, minnesota Member No.: 1 |
i guess the odds of my becoming an american citizen at some point have dramatically improved. i don't want to give up my indian citizenship.
-------------------- yeh sab kya ho raha hai, beta duryodhan? arnab@anothersubcontinent.com |
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| Ammini |
Jan 7 2005, 10:24 PM
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I din't either years ago. The one big benefit of having an American passport is that I don't end up spending hours at various consulates for visas for international travel. Once every 10 years I have to waste day standing in line at the Indian consulate for a visa. Now if that will go away, it is great. But at what cost? And what are the tax implications? I wonder. Ammini This post has been edited by Ammini: Jan 7 2005, 11:00 PM -------------------- |
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| anil |
Jan 8 2005, 04:51 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
Not knowing how long this wait is going to be, I may have to bite the bullet and renew my expiring visa this year maybe  Do you this they are going to price this (2nd psprt thing) in thousands of dollars ? Remember, Indian pspt is good for use in Cuba  |
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| bague25 |
Jan 8 2005, 05:04 PM
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 member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 1156 Joined: 29-July 04 From: Brussels, Belgium Member No.: 26 |
Can someone give more details please? I'm also putting together my dossier for my French nationality - besides travel, even within the EU (I need a visa to get into England which is 2hrs by train!) and the fact that I jointly own property here (lot of twisted clauses here in BE) having French nationality will help me get over family more easily (even for small visits my family have always a LOT problems every time!) Is there any website that give real clear indication? I want to be able to read in between the lines? I'm just suspicious... BTW this topics is always brought up around this time for the Videshi Day (?) and then it's forgotten for the next 11 months... -------------------- "Un livre de cuisine, ce n'est pas un livre de dépenses, mais un livre de recettes"
- Sacha Guitry |
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| anil |
Jan 8 2005, 08:04 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
I doubt there is a website - Even if there were, I'd be suspicious. The only source for all your questions would be the Indian Embassy in Brussels Go ahead with the French paperwork. My gut feeling is that this dual business is going to take years. The previous PM had made similar noises when he visited US too |
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| bague25 |
Jan 9 2005, 12:44 AM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 1156 Joined: 29-July 04 From: Brussels, Belgium Member No.: 26 |
Anil
Thanks for the Indian Embassy website - they are VERY unhelpful  For the last three years they tell me call back in a month's time. I do so every Jan to get the same reply....  Bague -------------------- "Un livre de cuisine, ce n'est pas un livre de dépenses, mais un livre de recettes"
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| gingerly |
Jan 9 2005, 01:20 AM
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 bandwidth eater Group: moderators Posts: 6337 Joined: 27-July 04 Member No.: 18 |
yes,don't hold your breath
-------------------- 'there are some things money can't buy. for everything else, there's the google'
mmm..lightningy ow you say in english.. fingularly exquifite |
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| arnab |
Jan 10 2005, 09:14 AM
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bandwidth glutton Group: founding members Posts: 14839 Joined: 21-July 04 From: northfield, minnesota Member No.: 1 |
-------------------- yeh sab kya ho raha hai, beta duryodhan? arnab@anothersubcontinent.com |
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| anil |
Jan 10 2005, 09:49 AM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
Greece ... Cyprus Wonder how many desis are in GR ? and CY ? Anyway; I have not seen these forms and will inquire manana about the process. |
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| arunr |
Jan 12 2005, 11:49 PM
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 member Group: maha contributors Posts: 312 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 211 |
I was thinking of starting a post on this matter recently and lo, anil beat me to it!
Let me elaborate. My wife & I became US citizens in 2003 after starting the process in Nov 2002. Of course, I was elated when Vajpayee announced Dual Citizenship in JAN 2003 but was definitely taken aback by Jan 2004 (for god's sake, 1 year had passed by) when it was still stuck somewhere in the 'good old Indian beureaucracy'. Of course, I gave up by 2004 spring when we decided to make a trip to India by the year's end, knowing we had to obtain visas - my wife's dad had passed away on Mar 1 and we were stuck without a visa, besides another big reason! Being the eternal optimist that I am, I chose only to get a 1 year visa, thinking that by then (2005) the Home Ministry would have prepared the paper work for this.I was right, but not entirely! The application details were finalized by end of Nov. We returned from India by Nov-end and I read about it on Dec 1. However, the Home Ministry beurocrats decided to change the 'Dual Citizenship' to 'Overseas Citizenship' and, oh btw, there will not be any Indian Passport - only a 'Registration Certificate'! BTW, the fee for this was set as $275. Read the following link for some more news.: http://www.littleindia.com/september2004/C...pStriptease.htm My first reaction was - big deal! So, I have to use this new 'Registration Certificate' along with my US passport .. no sweat! At least I will not have to apply for an Indian visa again! Since we live in FL, we are serviced by the Houston Consulate. And, guess what the info on their site says about the new application for Overseas Citizenship? .. you have to sign the form IN FRONT OF A CONSULATE OFFICIAL, who'll also sign the form. I was astounded! Imagine having to fly to Houston on a weekday, with both of us as working professionals, just to sign an application form! Wow! Here's more... I immediately shot of the following email to the Hosuton Consulate email address: +++++++++ Email copy: ------------------------------------------------------------------------ Date: Wed, 1 Dec 2004 12:40:32 -0800 (PST) From: Subject: Requirements for application as Overseas Citizen To: cgi-hou@swbell.net I am a US citizen of Indian origin and was keenly following the changes for Dual Citizenship. However, I read the following in your website today: "The application can not be sent by mail and has to be submitted personally by the applicant to the Consular Officer at the Consulate/Embassy." Since I live in Tampa, Florida, and we are serviced by your Consulate, does that mean that I have to travel to Houston, Texas, to submit my application for Dual Citizenship? That is so ridiculous! Also, I just looked at the Embassy of India website and see that there is no mention of having to personally submit this application. Please clarify this. +++++++++ Guess what? No reply in over 5 weeks! Of course, I did fwd this email to the Embassy email address and .. no reply from them either! I didn't know what to do and copied the above email in a letter addressed to the Consul General of India, Houston, Shri S.R.Tayal and sent a fax last Fri. Any bets on if, or when I'll receive a reply?  Come to think of it, I am not too keen on $275 for each application if I have to also fly to Houston! I'll make do with a 10 year visa, or something like that. -------------------- Have a wonderful day!
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| arnab |
Jan 13 2005, 12:52 AM
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bandwidth glutton Group: founding members Posts: 14839 Joined: 21-July 04 From: northfield, minnesota Member No.: 1 |
i've only barely got my green-card (one year anniversary coming up). can't bear to think about starting the bureaucracy again with a new lot! i also have to think through my citizenship issues--but that might be material for a different thread.
-------------------- yeh sab kya ho raha hai, beta duryodhan? arnab@anothersubcontinent.com |
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| bong |
Jan 13 2005, 03:41 AM
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member Group: maha contributors Posts: 218 Joined: 3-August 04 From: California Member No.: 53 |
The Indian Embassy in the US has this on their website: http://www.indianembassy.org/consular/Over...citizenship.htm
Sadly, the website is silent about the exact process one has to go through to apply for this "Overseas Citizenship". |
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| anil |
Jan 13 2005, 07:17 AM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
After looking, albiet briefly; I will just renew my 10yr visa for now. [But I am known to be ficle and impulsive]
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| ajit |
Jan 13 2005, 12:20 PM
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And the US, UK and the EU. (in possibly a more mature manner ?  ) |
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| armagod |
Jan 13 2005, 12:27 PM
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 member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3292 Joined: 2-August 04 From: london Member No.: 38 |
At least the EU, US, Australia have to deal with masses of illegal immigrants and people who wish to reside there (from India among others). India does not attract these in the same sort of numbers, so has no excuse. It's just a case of "you insist, so we will too".
-------------------- "Jiggery pokery, trickery chokery,
How did he open me up? Robbery! Muggery! Aussie skull-duggery! Out for a buggering duck." |
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| ajit |
Jan 13 2005, 12:34 PM
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bandwidth eater Group: founding members Posts: 4926 Joined: 21-July 04 Member No.: 2 |
Don't want to start a political war here, but there is a problem of illegal immigration in India too. The visa requirement may not be an effective deterrent to this but neither is the threat of imprisonment to petty crimes. So should they be made legal ?
Frankly, a strict visa regime would have made a big difference in the fifteenth and sixteenth centuries. Still, better late than never. |
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| Manish |
Jan 13 2005, 12:40 PM
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 maha contributor Group: moderators Posts: 991 Joined: 10-November 04 From: West Coast, Ummrika Member No.: 177 |
Usually these things are reciprocal arrangements. Whats childish about asking US or British citizens to get an Indian visa? -------------------- this dewdrop world/is a dewdrop world/and yet.. and yet.. -- Issa
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| ajit |
Jan 13 2005, 12:41 PM
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bandwidth eater Group: founding members Posts: 4926 Joined: 21-July 04 Member No.: 2 |
It's that sense of entitlement. And the petulance that comes when it is violated. |
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| anil |
Jan 13 2005, 01:12 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
Could you elaborate ? |
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| anil |
Jan 13 2005, 01:30 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
You might in future need visas for China,Russia,Vietnam,Turkey etc.; although you can get one at the airport for Turkey. It is only recently that the UK restrictions were lifted by Argentina. They are still bummed about Malvinas Isl. a.k.a Falkland Islands. Most entry requirements are bilateral as well as reciprocal in nature. This post has been edited by anil: Jan 13 2005, 01:31 PM |
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| Sue Darlow |
Jan 13 2005, 02:51 PM
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Hey, I don't want to start a war either, but surely 'India' would have had to impose visa requirements MUCH MUCH earlier to have made a REALLY big difference?  Sue, running for cover.....  |
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| ajit |
Jan 14 2005, 12:31 AM
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bandwidth eater Group: founding members Posts: 4926 Joined: 21-July 04 Member No.: 2 |
Sue, as they say in Marathi, "kaay masta fooski sodlis!"
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| shahpar |
Jan 14 2005, 12:33 AM
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yes, good idea. the ancient visa system ought to have required everybody to answer whether their purpose of visit was a)tourism b)investment c)student d)invasion e)rape and pillage d)most of the above also tick the following box if you have more than five swords and or elephants registered to your good self. interestingly enough, the indian govt. has declared that they will allow NRI's who had given up their indian passports to get their indian passports back on a dual-citizenship scheme. bangladesh requires everybody to get a visa, yes even amreekans, and why the heck not? just cos we are a developing country, it doesnt mean we dont care about who's coming and who's going. -shahpar -------------------- punjab power ji...lighting up you life ji
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| arunr |
Jun 16 2005, 10:26 PM
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member Group: maha contributors Posts: 312 Joined: 17-December 04 From: Tampa, FL Member No.: 211 |
India gives nod to dual citizenship for its diaspora!
'"The Government has decided to amend the Citizenship Act, 1955 and (also the) allocation of Business Rules to let the ministry of overseas Indian affairs issue notifications under Section 7B(1) of the Act and provide smart cards," Information and Broadcasting Minister S Jaipal Reddy said.' 'Prime Minister Manmohan Singh said, "The Government has decided to offer dual citizenship to all overseas Indians who migrated from the country after January 26, 1950, as long as their home countries allow dual citizenship under their law."' However, going by the last bureaucratic delay in finalizing the forms for the erstwhile "Overseas Citizenship" option, I am predicting that the new forms & procedures for this "Dual Citizenship" option will not be available for another 18 months! As mentioned earlier, I was so pi**ed off at the Indian bureaucracy requiring that I could only submit the "Overseas Citizenship" application personally to a Consulate official, I simply mailed my passport and got a 10-year tourist visa (which costs the same as a 2-year visa, go figure). -------------------- Have a wonderful day!
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| anil |
Jun 17 2005, 04:15 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3289 Joined: 4-August 04 From: Homeless, Stateless - Bosnia/Kosovo Member No.: 58 |
This effectively makes it good for visit home (India) without a Visa. In absence of a passport travel outside is difficult. In MERCOSUR zone (South America) national ID is sufficient to travel between Argentina/Brazil/Uruguay/Chile etc. I doubt Cuba,certain Middleast-Countries would allow one to enter with just the smart cards. Its all about the forbidden fruit |
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| armagod |
Jun 17 2005, 06:47 PM
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member Group: bandwidth eaters Posts: 3292 Joined: 2-August 04 From: london Member No.: 38 |
Same within the EU and its partners (like Switzerland). -------------------- "Jiggery pokery, trickery chokery,
How did he open me up? Robbery! Muggery! Aussie skull-duggery! Out for a buggering duck." |
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| anil |
Sep 30 2005, 12:17 PM
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| anil |
Dec 29 2005, 12:18 AM
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| jhajha99 |
 Sep 12 2006, 08:11 PM
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member Group: loiterers Posts: 13 Joined: 20-June 05 Member No.: 600 |
Any one else here buy that OCI crap India is trying to give to NRI's. I myslef am US born desi and it irks me when India cannot give "full" dual citizenship, it's BS. Wake up GOI, stop complaining about not granting dual citizenship, you have desi's all over the world who would like to get back thier old citizenship, but cna't because of you lame law. What's the big deal anyway, just let us grant full dual citizenship, no OCI, let me know how you fell about this issue.
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