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> words derived from non-desi languages, not simple loans
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post Sep 26 2009, 04:00 AM
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i don't mean things like "truck" or "train" or "station" which have entered hindi, bengali and other languages more or less unchanged except for pronunciation.

i am thinking of words like "twawlay" or "tawliya" for "towel" (assuming, of course, that they are indeed derived from "towel"). are there others?

or am i drawing a meaningless distinction?


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post Sep 26 2009, 09:53 AM
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post Sep 27 2009, 01:46 AM
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Are you looking for words that are borrowed from other languages and recognizable, but have mutated either in spelling or pronunciation? Like TamaaTar?

I guess one would have to map loanwords according to the degrees of mutation, but would likely have to have some kind of temporal band - in the last 50 years, in the last 100 years, kind of thing. Otherwise, words from Persian and Arabic (and English?) are now so deeply enmeshed in contemporary Indian languages that classifying them as non-desi words also is meaningless.

For a glimpse into a debate over loanwords from Persian/Arabic in contemporary Urdu usage, see this piece by Shamsur Rahman Faruqi (pdf).


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post Sep 29 2009, 09:34 AM
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Offhand can think of paltan (from platoon), tuufan (from typhon), monsoon (from mausam).
How about agni (is it from igneous? not sure).
Is patloon from pantaloon?



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post Sep 29 2009, 06:29 PM
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QUOTE(Trips @ Sep 29 2009, 09:34 AM) *

Offhand can think of paltan (from platoon), tuufan (from typhon), monsoon (from mausam).
How about agni (is it from igneous? not sure).
Is patloon from pantaloon?


Agni is not from igneous. The latin ignis and the Sanskrit agni commonly derive from an older proto Indo-European tongue for fire.


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post Nov 1 2009, 10:46 PM
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QUOTE(Trips @ Sep 28 2009, 11:04 PM) *

Offhand can think of paltan (from platoon), tuufan (from typhon), monsoon (from mausam).
How about agni (is it from igneous? not sure).
Is patloon from pantaloon?


Tuufan is from Typhoon which is from the Chinese Tai feng (Too much wind).
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post Nov 2 2009, 05:48 PM
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Modified from portuguese: mistri, balti, chabi (key), ispat, kaju, girjaghar (church), almari, chhaap (stamp)

also (but may be from arabic): kamra, kameez

Incidentally I just checked and the portuguese for towel is toalha, so that might be the more direct source.


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post Nov 2 2009, 06:13 PM
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QUOTE(Expatobserver @ Nov 1 2009, 10:46 PM) *

QUOTE(Trips @ Sep 28 2009, 11:04 PM) *

Offhand can think of paltan (from platoon), tuufan (from typhon), monsoon (from mausam).
How about agni (is it from igneous? not sure).
Is patloon from pantaloon?


Tuufan is from Typhoon which is from the Chinese Tai feng (Too much wind).



But also see typhon/tuphon.


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